Monday, December 20, 2010

Monday Morning Stupid Quotes ~ Bill O'Reilly: WAR ON XMAS EDITION

Bloggers Note: A stupid quote page on Bill O'Reilly would just be too easy, so we've limited this post to his seasonal ratings grab of the "War on Christmas." Enjoy.

"Macy's, have done away with the Christmas greeting, "Merry Christmas."Now, all of this anti-Christian stuff is absurd, and may even be a bias situation. But the real reason it's happening has little to do with Christmas and everything to do with organized religion. Secular progressives realize that America as it is now will never approve of gay marriage, partial birth abortion, euthanasia, legalized drugs, income redistribution through taxation, and many other progressive visions because of religious opposition". ~From O'Reilly's Christmas Under Siege talking point page.
"Even Jewish people like Christmas." December 2004.
"Every company in America should be on its knees thanking Jesus for being born. Without Christmas, most American businesses would be far less profitable. More than enough reason for business to be screaming 'Merry Christmas.' But many will not. They're afraid of being attacked by secular forces. It is now time to draw the line, ladies and gentlemen. We must decide whether we value our heritage or not. ~November 2005
After a caller stated: "I was politely told by all the postal workers that I spoke with at the various post offices that the only stamp they offered was 'Holiday Cookies.' " O'Reilly said, "I think it's the first time in my lifetime that the United States Postal Service has not had a spiritual stamp for people like you who would like them,"[this is] "insulting you and your beliefs ... because your spiritual stamp is in context to the celebration of Christmas." ~December 2005 (Madonna & Child stamps were in fact available at the time).
So look, that's on a very intellectual level, and it's behind the scenes. But these retailers are killing -- they're shooting themselves. I mean, they're killing themselves, because millions of people are just not going to shop in these places. November 18, 2010
"Keep Christ in Unemployment." 2010
Here's a great compilation:
Happy Holidays!

Sunday, December 19, 2010

Sunday Morning Hate ~ Wiley Drake



"I am glad George Tiller is dead. [Tiller was] "a brutal, murdering monster..." There may be a lot who would say, 'Oh that is mean. You shouldn't be that way,'" Drake said. "Well, no, it's an answer to prayer."

"I said to the Lord, 'Lord I pray back to you the Psalms, where it says that they are to become widowers and their children are to become orphans and so forth.' And we began calling for those imprecatory prayers, because he had obviously turned his back on God again and again and again,"-June 1st, 2009

When asked by interviewer Alan Colmes if there was anyone else who's death he prayed for, Drake replied, "The usurper that is in the White House is one, B. Hussein Obama. If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death..."

"Imprecatory prayer is agreeing with God, and if people don't like that, they need to talk to God. God said it, I didn't. I was just agreeing with God."-June 3rd 2009

Saturday, December 18, 2010

Metalocalypse - Religionklok


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I woke up thinking about this episode for some reason.  Watch it while you can.  It will probably be taken down soon.

UPDATE (6/26/11): found a viable video of the episode.

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Friday, December 17, 2010

Friday Link Dump 12/17/10

Glen Beck vs. Math

Finally! The gay agenda revealed. Molest our children and institute group sex for everyone! This intrepid website exposes the truth about Homosexual Urban Legends

AMERICA: Y UR PEEPS B SO DUM? by Joe Bageant: The best articles take everyone down a notch

“History of the Earth” in C Major, by Richard Dawkins

Hitchens Interview

New study suggests that intelligent people are less likely to believe in God. I'm going to take the high road on this one. And by high road I mean ironically pointing out that this study states the obvious without actually saying it. See how smart I am?

WikiLeaks Reports: the pope refused to cooperate in sex abuse investigations. Vatican press office decried the leaks as a matter of "extreme gravity." Just like the creation of the Universe.

Japanese probe reaches Venus They may even find life forms made of clouds.

Stem Cell Transplant Cures HIV In 'Berlin Patient'. This is a very specific case, but the science behind it is promising. For more on Stem Cell Regenerative Medicine read this.

FOXLEAKS: Fox boss ordered staff to cast doubt on climate science. This began with a Fox journalist accurately reporting news...I hope he learned his lesson. Here's Al Gore's response.

Nashville billboards claim Jesus will return May 21, 2011 The logic is undeniable, I say! This is worth reading to get to the last sentence.

Thursday, December 16, 2010

Raising A Child Without Acknowledging Religion?

It can't - and shouldn't - be done.
I started reading that op-ed piece expecting to disagree with everything this man was about to say.  I do not.  



Not that I agree with everything he stated: sectarianism might be on the decline, but only with increased animosity between the overarching religions, I disagree that “ethics classes should not be substitutes for scripture”, and I do not like the idea of a "religious" education.  However, I agree with the authors overall point which is that we live in a world surrounding by people who believe this thing.  Their lives are, supposedly, dictated by this belief.  Raising our children ignorant of this belief's existence is nearly as dangerous as raising them in it.     


My wife is a believer.  A month or so after we began dating and the god conversation started we nearly broke up.  I laid awake half the night staring at the ceiling thinking how much I loved the girl next to me, but I do not think I could marry someone who was a believer.  She apparently did the same thing.  I came to the conclusion that it didn't matter.  She did too.  We have since had multiple discussions, some heated, about my lack of belief and her insistence on holding onto hers.  I have never directly attacked her belief or faith.  I am not totally innocent as I have the tendency to belittle on occasion and it’s usually when I feel cornered.  Marriage. What fun!

As far as the kid and possible pluralization of that...it’s messy, but it is real.  Luckily, in her “faith” you are not baptized until around the age of 13.  You have to choose to do this yourself.  To be honest, I at least respect them for that.  This makes it easy in the short term because we do not have to have that fight yet.  We would have had a fight if we had a boy.  I was very anti-circumcision since there is no (or very very little) medical reason to do it.  It is strictly some ancient scriptural rule that has no place in the modern world.  She didn’t want our potential son circumcised due to any scriptural adherence, but she was afraid of him being "different."  I see no problem with being different AND I don’t want to mutilate my child for the sake of an imaginary god (for the sake argument if there was a God, I agree with Hitchens’ insistence that he would tell any God “Fuck you!” that asked him to sacrifice his child.  I feel the same away about genital mutilation. Or any mutilation.).  Regardless we didn't have to cross that bridge since we had a daughter.  As far as Sunday school and whatnot, I agreed that my daughter can go.  This is for most of the reasons outlined in the article. I don't want her ignorant of that aspect of the dominant culture, family, friends, and her neighbors. As an anthropologist I find that wrong and limiting.  Also, as many an atheist say: ‘the best way to make atheists is to have them study the bible.”  It worked for me.  Ultimately though, I can’t make her not believe.  That would be as ridiculous as someone else’s parents trying to make them believe.  It doesn't work. ALL I can do is raise her with the cognitive tools to think for herself and question authority.

One last thing.  My wife can take her to church and Sunday school (daddy does not go), but I get to teach her science, philosophy, ethics, etc.  I did tell the wife the moment my little girl comes home and tells me that she is being taught that the Earth is only 6000 years old, evolution is a lie, etc.; she is out of there.  That day.  Never going back.  End of discussion.  My wife never says anything about this (I think it’s just because she won’t give me the satisfaction), but she knows I am right.  This is not likely a problem since to her knowledge (we’re new the area) that isn’t what her church is about and she wouldn’t like that garbage either.  Even though she has faith, she isn’t blind.

Wednesday, December 15, 2010

We Are Science Probes

This is a few months old, but I recently ran into it again and wanted to post it. I had to put it after the jump since it auto-plays.

Mid-Week Rant: Marcus Brigstocke



via mojoey at Deep Thoughts

Monday, December 13, 2010

Monday Morning Stupid Quotes ~ Bill Donohue


"Christmas is not about Jack Frost; it's not about snowmen. We're not talking about some secular organization that has no religious roots. If they can't celebrate Christmas, then they should check out. What a bunch of cowards."
--Regarding the The West Village YMCA in NY replacing Santa Claus with Frosty the Snowman.


"Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It's not a secret, OK? And I'm not afraid to say it. That's why they hate this movie. It's about Jesus Christ, and it's about truth. It's about the messiah. Hollywood likes anal sex."

"The hyper-concentration on the Catholic Church is not by accident. The Church preaches an ethic of sexual restraint -- a profoundly countercultural idea -- so when a priest fails, it's tempting to highlight it. Human nature being what it is, that's understandable. But it's also immoral. Quite frankly, if sexual abuse is wrong, it should not matter what the identity of the abuser is. Selective justice is the highest form of injustice."

"It's not pedophelia. Most of the victims are post- pubescent. You have to get your facts straight. I'm sorry. If I'm the only one who is dealing with facts tonight, that's it. The vast majority of the victims are post-pubescent. That's not pedophelia, buddy. That's homosexuality."

--Setting the record straight regarding pedophile priests.


Sunday, December 12, 2010

Sunday Morning Hate - Archbishop Peter Jensen


Easter Sunday, 2010. On atheism:

"It's about our determination as human beings to have our own way, to make our own rules, to live our own lives, unfettered by the rule of God and the right of God to rule over us."

"What we're really seeing, once more [is] an example of the contest between human beings and God over who rules the world."

"Last century we tried godlessness on a grand scale and the effects were devastating: Nazism, Stalinism, Pol Pot-ery, mass murder, abortion and broken relationships - all promoted by state-imposed atheism."

"[It's] the illusion that we can build a better life without God."


Friday, December 10, 2010

Moderate Theists: Yes I Am Rambling

Is this a completely random banner image that has nothing to do with the post?  Yes.  Yes it is.  

I keep going back and forth on my opinions of the average (i.e. moderate or progressive) religious believer since they rarely reject science and generally have their own “live and let live” attitudes about other beliefs or non-belief.  In a sense; they are benign.  While I strongly disagree that any deities exist, let alone their very specific one and I contend that faith is irrational; I do not see them as an actual threat to a secular nation and rational world.  On the other hand I also believe that all theists tacitly enable fundamentalist/extremist beliefs and their completely irrational denials of reality.  Additionally, all theists consciously or unconsciously make the same judgements of non-believers.  They just either hide it better or bury the negative emotions.  I go back and forth all the time arguing with myself. You should have seen the first several drafts of this.

I have been bouncing this argument around in my own head for a few weeks now not knowing how to formulate it.  As with most things, I think I figure it out as I write.  If it looks stupid or crazy in print; it probably is.  Here goes:

What kick-started this from unformed idea to poorly formed post was an email I received from a relative who, presumably, thought I would be interested in something that makes the attempt at bridging the gap between religion and science.  It was an invitation to an online tele-series from Evolutionary Christianity.  I won’t copy the email in whole here since that isn't important and you can get the gist of what information it contained from the website.  I had to groan at the thought of listening to something akin to Deepok Chopra, but I have to tell myself  “well, they mean well and they aren’t completely rejecting physical reality.”  This doesn’t really help since they are adding what I know to be a supernatural untruth to it.  However, it could be worse.  It’s like the infamous Templeton Prize - I really don’t like it; but all in all, its better than the fundies who reject reality all together and insist their worldview is the truth and your evil if you disagree.  Yes, I am conflicted.  

I do have to address something that I think is a problem with how progressive/moderate theists think and act.  For example, the following is an excerpt from the email:

Your involvement will help make this event a catalyst for furthering public awareness of a religious approach to life that celebrates the findings of science and that transcends the polarizing voices of scriptural literalists at one extreme and the “new atheists” at the other.  

I take issue with the placement of "new atheists" as the polar opposite of scriptural literalists on a spectrum; at least in the way that it meant in this context.  If the author was trying to describe a spectrum of rationality then it would be accurate.  They are not.  What they are implying is incorrect and intellectually ignorant.  New atheists, for all their piss and vinegar (“polarizing voices”), use scientific methods, historic analysis, philosophy and logic to formulate their worldview and subsequent critiques of religious claims, belief and behaviors. Scriptural literalists have no such rational approach. They are clearly wrong, have no evidence of any of their claims, reject reality and no amount of political correctness towards their beliefs changes that.   It might be easy for the moderate/progressive theist to place new atheists as the opposite of fundamentalists on a spectrum to describe their “moderate/progressive” vision of the truth, but it is not a valid statement.  You can’t prove an atheist wrong.  You can easily prove a scriptural literalist wrong.  

If so-called "moderate/progressive theists" wish to have an open dialogue concerning science and religion they need to look in the mirror and, at a minimum, think about the following two issues.  First, if they truly wish to accept science and be involved in progress then honest, objective, scientific study of religion (origins, social evolution, neuroscience, sociological, etc.) cannot be “off the table.”  Too often this type of research is vilified or the funding is denied due to the “faithful’s” sensitivities.  As long as it is an objective scientific study then their should be no objection.  That is if you truly wish to “celebrate the findings of science.”  Second, they must publicly and vehemently reject  fundamentalist claims (creationism, young earth, flat earth, etc.), the related scientific denials and political strong arm tactics.  These are actions that threaten the well-being and religious freedom of everyone: theists and atheists alike. The continued coddling and quasi-acceptance of fundamentalist claims only allows extremists to continue and hardens the stance of the faithless towards all believers.  It is my opinion that “new atheism” would not have evolved into its current confrontational stance against all religion if religious lunatics were not so prevalent in the world. The liberal theist position of cultural/religious relativism is wrong and allows extremism to grow.

Part of the problem is that theists, all theists, will not honestly step back and analyze their beliefs.  They may have doubts and questions - I think only the patently insane do not - but I mean they need to question in a scientific, systematic, logical and rational way that really challenges not just the existence of their god, but the likelihood of any benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god that answers intercessory prayer. Of course I am hoping they will come to their senses and reject faith, but even if they do not they should at least understand the sheer lunacy of absolute, blind faith and the dangerous consequences of it.

One of the largely incorrect responses to this suggestion is that atheists will not do likewise.  It is often claimed that atheists will not even entertain the possibility that a god may exist.  We have. That is why we are atheists.  This misunderstanding is due to a fundamental difference in reasoning and how we come to a conclusion.  It is highly improbable (if not impossible) that you can make a scientific, systematic, logical and rational argument as to why atheists should abandon scientific, systematic, logical and rational approaches in order to have faith and then to subsequently believe in a deity.  It is antithetical to reason and the new atheist approach; if you can say there is one.  My other problem with this external critique of atheists is that I would make an educated guess that most atheists were at one time or another believers and have since rejected their previous faith.  I know some people that were raised atheist, or more accurately raised without religion, but they are few and far between.  Nearly all atheists I have ever been in contact with were at one time religious in one way or another.  Most found the inconsistencies and irrationality to be too mentally strenuous to continue with these beliefs.  In short: we’ve been there.  We know what it is to believe.  Don’t patronize us by saying we do not understand.  Additionally, I find it more than a little irritating that atheists are looked at as crazy and irrational when the reasons for rejection of belief are based on logic, evidence and rational thought.  We are asked to suspend that in order to believe?  Do you realize how that sounds?

In order for moderate theists to be taken seriously by their atheist neighbors (I realize this is a ridiculous notion given the numbers, but I still think many people genuinely want to “just get along”) they too have to fight the spread of extremism in their own religions. They too must stand up to those those who deny science.  They too must stand up for and preserve secularism. As I have stated before this is not just for the benefit of scientists, atheists, agnostics, secularists, etc. It is for the benefit of everyone. The fundamental extremism that is growing all over the world will stop tolerating moderate, progressive religion once they have gained power and have vilified, persecuted and eliminated their other enemies. Probably starting with the apostates: your atheist friends, family and neighbors.  Once that threat is eliminated they will turn their attention to the heretics: you.  In this there is no doubt as history has shown.

Friday Link Dump - 12/10/10




Christians Hire Stalker-Truck for Atheist Bus Ads - Doesn't this seem a little...I don't know...like overcompensation for something?  And the pastors and businessmen don't have the pride to disclose themselves?

Newfound planet stirs old debate

Beck continues to ignore factual rebuttals of his book: Broke

Historians Dismantle Beck's Roman History Lesson - Hmm.  I see a theme here.  

Texas GOP Official Opposes Jewish House Speaker: Christian "Are People That Do The Best Jobs' - “Someday, folks will have to understand that ‘some of my best friends are [fill in the blank with a minority group]‘ is a cliche repeated by bigots. I would have hoped that was obvious by now.”

Abstinence-Only Education Lesson 1: Drink the Spit (Video) which leads us to Accuracy, Efficacy And Ethics Of Abstinence-Only Programs Questioned By Public Health Experts

DADT Hearing VIDEO: Gates Warns GOP Senators They're Going Down A 'Dangerous Path' - When civilians defer decisions to military leaders it is all over.

"We have a gay guy [in the unit]. He's big, he's mean, and he kills lots of bad guys. No one cared that he was gay." - a special operations service member via the Pentagon DADT Study.  Page 6.  


Kentucky governor says jobs are behind incentives for religious theme park - It’s still clearly unconstitutional.  

Rep. Steve King Calls For The Return Of McCarthyism In Congress: It’s A ‘Good Process’ That He Would ‘Support’

Brave Atheist Activists Illegally Arrested, Later Vindicated - It's just not the same
without the "don't tase me, bro!" in there.

Alan Dershowitz to Mike Huckabee: Go Back to School - Another stellar potential GOP candidate for 2012.

This Week In Holy Crimes

CLIMATE CHANGE THREATENS ARCHAEOLOGICAL TREASURES


Monday, December 6, 2010

Monday Morning Stupid Quotes - Sarah Palin, Part II

“I’m like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I’m like, don’t let me miss the open door. Show me where the open door is.”

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010

"I want to help clean up the state that is so sorry today of journalism. And I have a communications degree. " Fox News interview with Sean Hannity, Nov. 22, 2010

"As we work and sightsee on America's largest island, we'll get to view more majestic bears, so now is a good time to draw attention to the political equivalent of the species."  referring to Kodiak Island in Alaska, even though Hawaii is America's biggest island, July 19, 2010


“Inexplicable: I recently won in court to stop my book ‘America by Heart’ from being leaked, but US Govt can't stop Wikileaks' treasonous act?”  via Twitter

Actually, Sarah, it is somewhat easy to explain.  The site is hosted in Sweden.  In case you are unaware, Sweden is not a part of the United States.  It is a sovereign nation.  The President of the US and American law enforcement have no authority there. 

Your book is copyrighted.  The cables are not.  Hence, the reason Gawker had to remove the excerpts from your book. 

Additionally, Julian Assange is not a U.S. Citizen.  It is not treason if you are not a U.S. Citizen.   

Sunday, December 5, 2010

Sunday Morning Hate:Cardinal Pell


''A minority of people, usually people without religion, are frightened by the future. It's almost as though they've … nothing but fear to distract themselves from the fact that without God the universe has no objective purpose or meaning. Nothing beyond the constructs they confect to cover the abyss.''
Life without God was ''life without purpose, without constraints." 
We should not create an ''ideological apartheid'' between faith and reason, Cardinal Pell said.
Cardinal Pell, the Archbishop of Sydney, said during his homily at the St Mary's Cathedral Mass.

Friday, December 3, 2010

Friday Link Dump 12/3/10




What if the Right was Right? A Reflection on the "Christian States of America." (Updated) - *shudders*

Peerless Pterosaur Could Fly Long-Distance For Days

Troops buck historical trend by saying gays OK - That really should be the last hurdle.  It won’t be.  (see DADT study)

How Much Does Birth Order Shape Our Lives?

American Atheists: You KNOW it’s a Myth! - Statistics show that nearly 50 million Americans are atheists.” ...and growing.  

Victor Stenger: Questions for a New Atheist: Part 1 & Part 2 - I think I like Stenger’s book The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Science and Reasonthe best out of the major New Atheist publications.

Please, Don’t Appeal to Quantum Physics to Propagate Your Pseudoscience - Ya hear that, Chopra?

The Big Religion Chart - This is a useful and interesting guide, however, I am irritated at the inclusion of atheism as a religion.  Do we have to review the definition again?

Saturn's moon Rhea may have a breathable atmosphere - I really wish we could get probes to Rhea and Europa soon.  I’m just so curious!

Catholic Priest Tried to Pay Hitman to Kill Teen He Molested - All he has to do is confess, right?  He can start with the police and the DA.  Then his imaginary sky molester god.   

10 Anti-Gay Myths Debunked

When Should You Talk To Your Kids About Star Wars? - I posted this on my personal Facebook page a week ago and I got a lot of comments about how funny it was.  I don’t think a single person understood the subversive tone.  

Blasphemy Resolution Passes U.N. Committee - What the hell?

UN votes against protecting gays from execution - I’m starting to think the UN is maybe, possibly useless.  

100-Million-Year-Old Crocodile Species Discovered - insert lazy joke about the Earth being 6,000-10,000 years old and Noah’s Ark.  Blah, blah, blah.  

Moses Was Tripping - Well, not Moses, but the guy who dreamed up Moses.

Palin's reckless views on obesity - The Right is so pathetic they will criticize anything the Left does; especially the Obamas.  Is commenting on and criticizing this really worthy of  an honest person’s time? No, of course not.  That says a lot.  

The Two Most Essential, Abhorrent, Intolerable Lies Of George W. Bush's Memoir

Conservatives’ Perverse Notion That Economic Sabotage Can Win Them Elections

Transcripts and Audio: Christopher Hitchens on Not Believing